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Sunnyday
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Posted - 08/20/2013 :  2:58:15 PM  Show Profile  REPLY
See me on Sunday's or be sure to mention my name
I promise you will be taken very good care of!

First of all Burt you are correct, this is a great website for anyone who wants an understanding of what is going on in this town's government. We may not always agree but I feel many of us try to be informative and contribute to a better Easton. You do a good job and dont you forget it!

Second, Mrs. Nestler is correct only 4% responded negatively BUT it is 4% of only how many residents that actually took this survey? I wonder how many were not residents or took it more than one time? This survey made no sense to me and was completely aggravating and I am sure half way in most people were just sick of taking it so they quit or rushed through it. Sad really.

Carol glad to see you are on the Economic working group, we need someone with sound financial judgment helping with our Envision Easton Master Plan.
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jc1974
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361 Posts

Posted - 08/20/2013 :  4:30:38 PM  Show Profile  REPLY

In regards to forced ranking, I mentioned it in another post (please note that this was before the Survey was even sent out. It seems to be a "MO" for these planners. Forced ranking is part of a technique referred to as the "Delphi method". I included a blurb from that post below (with references). If you care to read my whole rant on it, please click on this link:
http://eastonmass.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9418

From a post from April 15th:
This is done using the Delphi Technique (or Delphi method). The Delphi Method is used in these meetings to gain a “consensus”. What these consultants and planners are doing is controlling the outcomes. This is yet another thing to be aware of as this meeting draws near.
“A planner runs this process in such a way as to allow citizens to think that they are giving input into their communities; input that will help lead the community to an acceptable solution to a community problem. Whereas in reality the data the citizen is providing is minimized in such a way as to allow the pre-determined outcome that the Planners desired all along to be realized. In this way, citizens will be made to believe that green space, bicycle paths, and walking trails were the top concerns of the community because the data will have been manipulated by the planners to create the Sustainable Development desired outcome.” (link: http://www.agenda21course.com/lesson-9-non-governmental-organizations-and-the-delphi-method/ )

Links for arguments against the use of the Delphi Technique
http://www.salidacag.org/2013/01/06/175/
http://moultonborospeaks.blogspot.com/2012/10/nh-listens-and-delphi-technique-by-tim.html
http://pennypincherpersonalfinance.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-delphi-technique-how-agenda-21.html
http://www.learn-usa.com/transformation_process/acf001.htm
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Burt
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Posted - 08/20/2013 :  6:07:36 PM  Show Profile  REPLY

quote:
Originally posted by Burt

It came to my attention that it is his brother Nick, who is the developer, Walter is an attorney. The question now is, why is Walter on the Easton Master Plan Steering Committee or being an advisory to it and why is he even on the Planning and Zoning committee? He has a close relative who is an active developer in town, that is a definite conflict of interest. He shouldn't be anywhere near issues like this.


Correction again, Walter is the son of Nick Mirrone, a major Easton developer of housing.

I still ask why Walter, who's father is a major developer in town and has attempted a first time and controversial cottage housing development in town, is on the Easton Master Plan Steering Committee, Housing and Neighborhood sub committee. Walter should be far away from making any official town decisions involving housing and development. Am I the only one that sees this as a potential conflict of interest and how long has he been in this sort of a role?

Only in Easton...

--Burt Lewis
EastonMass.com
@EastonMass
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Mr. Mom
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1393 Posts

Posted - 08/20/2013 :  6:22:50 PM  Show Profile  REPLY

As long as he recuses himself from any decisions relating to his father's work then it's ok.
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Burt
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Posted - 08/20/2013 :  6:53:43 PM  Show Profile  REPLY

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Mom

As long as he recuses himself from any decisions relating to his father's work then it's ok.


I'm talking about him being on the Master Plan Steering Committee. As the son of a major developer of housing and land in town, he shouldn't be on it, there is an apparent conflict of interest. Seems like a lot of folks want to overlook it.

quote:
...The Planning Board, under the requirements of Massachusetts General Law Chapter 41 Section 81D is charged with making a Master Plan for the Town of Easton. Such plans are designed to provide the basis for guidance, coordination and accountability to future decision makers regarding the long term physical development and growth of the mmunity...

--Burt Lewis
EastonMass.com
@EastonMass
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Mr. Mom
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Posted - 08/20/2013 :  9:53:47 PM  Show Profile  REPLY

My appologies. I read it too quickly. In that case he has no need to recuse himself. Developers interests should be represented on the master planning steering committee. They shouldn't be a majority, but they should be represented.
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ck
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USA
1959 Posts

Posted - 08/21/2013 :  12:55:06 PM  Show Profile  REPLY

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Mom

My appologies. I read it too quickly. In that case he has no need to recuse himself. Developers interests should be represented on the master planning steering committee. They shouldn't be a majority, but they should be represented.



Your last 2 comments are spot-on, Mr. Mom.

As someone who had a two+ year professional relationship with Walter on the Zoning Board of Appeals, I never had any doubt about conflict of interest.

With regard to that particular board, it is unique by nature in the way it is run. It begs for an attorney at the helm. Given a choice between 2 otherwise equal applicants for the board, I would take the attorney every time.

Walter and I had a brief professional relationship, though never a social one. No one on the Master Plan Steering Committee is going to steer it by themselves. And I feel certain that Walter on such a committee has more to do with him being a concerned parent and citizen of our town than anything else.

Just my take...

Chuck King
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Burt
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USA
16792 Posts

Posted - 08/21/2013 :  2:26:53 PM  Show Profile  REPLY

quote:
Originally posted by ck
...And I feel certain that Walter on such a committee has more to do with him being a concerned parent and citizen of our town than anything else.

Just my take...

Chuck King


Chuck,

What's your take on this?

For quite some time, you were a very serious and active participant on here and still chime in now and then, as you are now, to add your respected and serious opinions and comments on various topics and issues as they come up.

Just so you are aware, this is what Walter was quoted as saying in the latest master plan minutes about you and the many others who have taken their time over the last 16 years to offer, share, use, collaborate and learn from information received from this website.

"...Question was raised whether serious people go to the site for information..."

So Chuck, the next time you see Walter, you might want to let him know that there are some serious people that use EastonMass.com for information - and that includes you...

--Burt Lewis
EastonMass.com
@EastonMass
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ck
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USA
1959 Posts

Posted - 08/21/2013 :  3:05:09 PM  Show Profile  REPLY

It's a great site, and I've followed it for about 12 of those years...seriously. ( :
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Burt
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USA
16792 Posts

Posted - 08/21/2013 :  3:38:05 PM  Show Profile  REPLY
See me on Sunday's or be sure to mention my name
I promise you will be taken very good care of!

I'll let the great John McEnroe have the last word about serious...

Turn your speakers up...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekQ_Ja02gTY

--Burt Lewis
EastonMass.com
@EastonMass
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marktun
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Posted - 08/23/2013 :  06:58:38 AM  Show Profile  REPLY

Folks,

I'll 2nd Chuck's comments about Walter Mirrone. I had the pleasure of serving with him on the ZBA for a couple years, and he was 100% professional, extremely knowledgeable, and obviously an advocate for the Town. I was pleasantly surprised to see him as part of the Envision Easton working group, along with several others that I know, like and trust.

In terms of whatever comments he may have made about this site...well, perhaps he needs to experience it again himself personally to see the resource "Burt's baby" has become.

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Burt
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Posted - 08/23/2013 :  07:45:51 AM  Show Profile  REPLY

quote:
Originally posted by marktun

In terms of whatever comments he may have made about this site...well, perhaps he needs to experience it again himself personally to see the resource "Burt's baby" has become...


Just so everyone knows, a few years ago there was a very lengthy and contentious discussion on here concerning his father's cottage housing plan, that's real estate and land development we are talking about. If I'm not mistaken, Nick chimed in and I also spoke with him on the phone. I'm sure Walter either followed it or was aware of it. As I mentioned, I also received a not so pleasant email from another member of the Mirrione clan. Needless to say, I don't think that family is very fond of EastonMass.com

--Burt Lewis
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Posted - 06/17/2018 :  04:54:43 AM  Show Profile  REPLY

I think that was an SOS from a Mexican prison.

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I think that was an SOS from a Mexican prison.


It's called hacking. I'm looking into, thanks.

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